
Paul's response to "Batman's Never-Ending Fight"
http://socialistworker.org/2008/08/28/views-brief
If the SW insists on maintaining a petty ultra left approach to the superhero genre, its opinion will remain useless, for it refuses on principle to glean any deeper readings from the material.
But of course, the SW wants to have it both ways. They want to deride Bruce Wayne for being a billionaire who fights "crime," while they praise to the sky a billionaire weapons manufacturer who fights "terrorists" in Afghanistan.
Paul D'amato's attempt to engage in amateur film criticism was pathetic. After declaring "theses" as if he were Lenin, Paul stumbles on to the novel concept that "the Batman story inherently glorifies conservative vigilantism--it is the whole premise of the story."
The whole premise of the superhero genre is vigilantism. Paul pretends to make a point, but doesn't.
Go down the line, from Spider-Man to Superman, even the most progressive of the bunch, the X-Men, are vigilantes who work within the logic of present day class society. They all inherently buy into the logic. The fact that they have powers means they inevitably over step their bounds.
If the SW decides to retroactively review the "Superman Returns" film, will it insist that it's giving a pass to Bush because he can hear (meaning spy) on every living voice on the planet? Is he a representation of some sort of satellite system we want to install? Or maybe that's reading into it too much. Knowing Paul's depth, we'd have a whole digression on the imperialist colors of his uniform.
It is a shame that Paul wants to downplay the scene in the ferries. First, the criminals are the heroes. They decide to throw out the detonator. Sure Nolan plays on current fears of the "black" inmate, but he does so only to challenge those ideas. Did Paul expect the passengers on the ferry to be conscious of how ideology plays on their "common sense"?
It requires real life to challenge those assumptions. So you have civilians arguing that those men "made their choice" and deserve the consequences. But as the clock ticks, the people realize the prisoners have made another choice--not to kill them in spite of the consequences.
And it's entirely petty to argue the fact that the social makeup of the ferries was a cross class one. Did millionaire Sean Penn not go into the flood waters of Katrina? DId millionaire Kanye West not call out Bush, while appealing to the better of our nature? Sure most of us don't live the "good life," but don't tell me that the only message to be drawn from that scene is a patriotic, reactionary one.
Human nature is not as corrupt as common sense tells us. People won't just turn on each other when things get tough. The Joker should not be seen as a real criminal, or "terrorist," but as the counter posed argument. The misanthropic nihilist, whose ideas predominate too much amongst the intellectuals in the movement.
On the other end of the spectrum however, is ultra leftism. An infantile disorder that finds nothing worthwhile about a story that the rest of the country has been captivated by--missing an opportunity to battle for ideas.
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That has to shut down any further debate on the mater.
I think he should consider going by the name Pwned D'Amato from now on.
Boooty Quaaake!
OOOOOOOOO zing! D'Amato just got handed the Meaning of Beastism
Far from being some definitive response to a comradely debate, this delves too far into insulting, personal attacks. There are a few valid points, but they can be hard to see after wading through a sea of vitriol. It would be best to focus on providing criticism of the reviews that individuals wrote, rather than denouncing SW for publishing a variety of opinions and attacking reviews of movies that have not even been written.
Scott Johnson,
Pathetic Amateur Film Critic
PS The comments on here certainly don't help
"That point holds no matter how well or poorly the particular Batman movie is made. That doesn't make it a crime to enjoy them; it does, however, make it stupid to try and defend them."
http://socialistworker.org/2008/08/06/the-dark-knight-has-it-both-wa
a defense written by Scott Johnson
The only thing out of line about this debate is the unfair accusation that Alex has pushed this into the realm of personal attacks. Arguments have consistently been constructed attacking the review and not the reviewer (ie, "petty ultra left criticisms", "inaccurate caricature", "paul's attempt was pathetic").
This rejoiner rightfully sets the argument straight about the meaning of the superhero genre and why the point that the film is an allegory for the war on terror is an underseving exaggeration. The tone of this is appropriate only because D'Amato characterized our position(including Scott's) as stupid. If SW's only concern was publishing a variety of opinions (which, as the newspaper of a socialist organization I would have to disagree with)it could have left the debate as it stood between us and Allen. The fact that D'Amato chimed in affirms that SW was intent on pushing its ultra left perspective.
I would have thought this method was acceptable, given our tradition in the polemics of Lenin, or in the "comradely" way D'Amato treated David Whitehouse in the debate around permanent revolution (http://www.isreview.org/issues/48/permrev-damato.shtml).
Hope this comment is more useful.
Jeff Guarrera
Comrade and Fanboy
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